Re: Game Of Thrones
451That was actually the one thing I saw coming/foreshadowed for quite a while and it actually came true.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Yes, yet the howls of outrage continue all over the internet over her turn.BladeCollector wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 5:01 am That was actually the one thing I saw coming/foreshadowed for quite a while and it actually came true.
My wife and I were chatting about this the other day. She doesn't watch the show, but knows what happens on it just from Facebook outrage. That was her comment, as we named our son after literary characters. We waited until the story's conclusion. It's just logical...Valkrist wrote: Well, those parents are silly because a) you picked the name before the conclusion of the series, and b) if you couldn't see where this was leading, you deserve to be disowned by your child.
Jamie... Yes! I totally didn't pick up on that at first, only later when I read an online review of the episode wondering about that very same thing. Wasn't it revealed at some point that it was Varys that slipped Jon Arryn the poison that killed him? I didn't think Varys would be so bold with Daenerys, but as he was actively seeking to undermine her at this point, it's very likely he would resort to poison. It wouldn't be the first time someone would have tried that with her though, and I'm surprised that given the number of enemies that she has, that she doesn't have a food taster travelling with her at all times.Jamie Shakespeare wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 6:23 am interesting thought on the Varys issue - he had his little bird trying to get Dany to eat - what exactly was in the food he was having sent to her ... ?
BladeCollector wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 5:14 am Well, lets see, I have had time to reflect...
It definitely could have been worse.
*****Obligatory spoiler warning*****
Yes, the writing was on the wall for her since the end of Ep 5, and I daresay since early on in the series, but as you, am very glad it was Jon, fulfilling the prophecy, and not Arya.Obviously I could foresee Dany dying and luckily it was by Jon, not Arya Ninja Assassin or Sansa.
I thought it was a beautiful moment: Drogon's grief, agony and rage, destroying the throne, sparing Jon, then flying off with Dani's body. This beggars the question as to just how intelligent these dragons are. Did Drogon recognize that it was Dani's ambition for that very throne that resulted in her death? Did he decide to destroy it so that no one else could have it? Or was it simply that the throne happened to be in the same direction as the one Drogon chose to vent his grief? Guess we'll never know, but it totally worked for me.I am glad the Iron Throne was destroyed, although it wasn't destroyed the way I had hoped years ago (during the battle with the Night King, )
After a season of one bad decision after another, it was good to see Tyrion come around to doing the right thing.Loved how Tyrion stood up to Dany finally, he had nothing to lose really.
Even though their queen was dead, the Unsullied and remaining Dothraki were still the conquering army and in possession of the city by right. It's unlikely there were enough Stark and Arryn troops alive to contest their claim on the city, especially with their commander now under arrest. As it would have taken too long for the Dornish, Ironborn, and others to arrive, the Unsullied would have had time to consolidate their position and dig in. Not like Greyworm was thinking rationally at this point. As for Jon, yes, it totally was in keeping with his personality to turn himself in for murder, no matter how justified. A small scene showing that would have been nice but they probably opted to not film one because logically, Greyworm would have likely killed him on the spot. However, I think Greyworm was smart enough to know that he would be surrounded soon so it might be best to keep Jon alive as a bargaining tool, and he was right in the end.So, Dany overthrows Cersei, yay, she's the new queen, but Jon kills Dany and he's arrested because its the Unsully's city now? I don't think that is how it works. Not to mention, has it has been this season, we dont SEE ANY MOMENTS THAT DRIVE PLOT. No one saw Jon kill her, Drogon flew off with her body. I mean Jon is pretty stupid and would have probably confessed anyway.
This was the final expected twist and mystery for the series to answer, and it came out of left field, but I was infinitely pleased by it. It was a nice tie back to Bran telling Tyrion his story in Winterfell in Ep. 2, and it made the most sense to give rulership to the person that least wanted it. Without ambition or emotion, but possessed of knowledge, prescience, and objectivity, as well as the combined history and lore of humanity, he was the perfect ruler at a time when simply placing another normal person on the throne would have meant the entire struggle had been for nothing. Bran does what Dani wanted to do but couldn't: change the system. Sansa might have been a good candidate at first, but she was already showing the signs of liking power too much. As for Jon, he was never meant to rule, no matter how many of us wanted that. I guess the message is that it doesn't matter if you are born with the rightful title, it's really up to the person and their personal desire. That Jon was a Targaryen with a better claim than Dani did serve the plot purpose of sowing doubt in her mind, crumbling the very foundation of the dream she had made for herself, and drive her further down the path of madness. It was never really about Jon... he made that clear early on... it was about what the gnawing doubt would do to her. Even if he had accepted her request at the end, she would still one day turn on him, because tyrants can never abide anyone else with an equal or better claim to live for long.So, we get Bran as the new king... oooooookay. I would have preferred Jon or even Sansa. What the hell was the point of Jon being a Targaryen and the rightful heir to the throne blah blah blah, oh another useless plot device like the Night King I guess.
Same, and I think the others decided not to argue because when you think about it, the North gave the most blood in defeating the Night King, something that would eventually threaten all others. There was also the precedent of the history of an independent North to consider as well, and the rest of the Lords were probably so war-weary by this point that they deemed it best not to plunge Westeros into yet another war, especially one that would pit the High King against his own sister. As for Bran as a northerner, I don't see that being a problem because he himself had said on more than one occasion that he was no longer Brandon Stark. The Three-Eyed Raven was an independent entity and house names meant nothing to him anymore. Sure he felt kinship with his sisters and Jon still, but I think he could be trusted at this point to not call himself a Stark anymore and be unbiased in his decisions. Why did Yara get a vote? Probably because though the Iron Islands are independent, their approval still matters insofar as their agreement shows an unwillingness to dispute the claim and launch their own war. It was basically a courtesy to check that all the powers of Westeros are ok with Bran having the most power out of all of them. Brienne probably cast a vote on behalf of her home island of Tarth, and Ser Davos probably did likewise on behalf of Dragonstone. Come to think of it, Bronn should have been present to represent Highgarden, though I'm not sure they're exactly a political entity any more.I did like the North staying independent, although I find it kind of weird that no one questioned Sansa or decided to do it themselves. And an independent northerner is king of the 6 realms?? Why did Yara have a vote? The Iron Islands are independent, and who is Davos and Brienne casting votes?
A pissed off dude who just lost his love and his queen, with an army at his back, and nothing to lose? I agree with your sentiment, but raw emotions often distort common sense. He felt he deserved some concessions for his loss and pain, and I think on some level they realized this. Also, though he was now hostile, his contribution to the Battle of Winterfell couldn't simply be ignored out of convenience. Sending Jon north was the best outcome, since I doubt Jon himself would have wanted anything else anyway, but yeah, it was a bit silly of them to hold to that promise given Greyworm was going to leave anyway. However, if presented with a reprieve, I firmly believe Jon would have refused anyway. North is where his heart was; he found himself there, found his first love, his brothers, lived and died there. With Dani gone and his guilt and pain eating at his heart, exile was the only option for him, whether forced or not. The Night's Watch was now useless anyway, and I interpret the last scene as him realizing that anyway, and deciding to make a new life for himself north of the Wall, helping Tormund and the remaining Wildlings claim a new home for themselves.Who the hell does Greyworm think he is? Getting Bran to send Jon back to the wall??? I mean jeez, Greyworm needs to hush it, and not to mention HE LEAVES WESTEROS ANYWAY?!
I really liked the three endings. It actually felt more satisfying (and far less drawn-out than the multiple ROTK endings.)I guess you could say, without all the crap plot holes, the remaining Starks won, Sansa got what she wanted, Queen of the North, Arya got what she wanted, to become Christopher Columbus/Arya the Explorya, and Jon got what he wanted, to be North of the Wall.
I liked how Sam attempted to instill democracy but was humorously shot down, haha.
I am sure I will have more comments later, but work keeps interrupting me!
Couldn't agree more. A missed opportunity we will never get again, petition notwithstanding.EDIT:
ALSO! I think that if seasons 7 and 8 would have been 10 episodes each, it wouldnt have seemed rushed. Sticking to the story they wanted to tell, and accepting the fact that the night king wasnt the main bad guy, Night King should have been defeated at the end of Season 7 (episode 10 in my dreams). Dany would have then conquered Westeros in the first half of season 8 and then slowly fell to the madness, by around episode 8, with Jon killing her sometime in episode 9 and episode 10 would have been a resolution episode.
Yeah, they also did say that they still needed a place to send criminals and other assorted unwanted folk off to, although Castle Black's purpose of watching the Wall is essentially non-existent: the White Walker threat is gone forever, and the Wildlings are not only decimated, but their raiding days are over as they no longer have the Walkers to fear.BladeCollector wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 7:12 am Jon got what he wanted after all, he was "home" north of the wall with the wildlings, they wrote it as punishment, but it was hush hush just letting him be who he wanted to be. They did have the comment about is there even a nightwatch anymore.
It is what it is now. It wasnt nearly as bad as I was expecting after the rest of the season.
No kidding, and it had to be really, really, REALLY high, because dead wight bodies would be all mushy and icky, and if you just stand on them you would just sink through all the decomposing rot, and since she LEAPT off them, well she really should have just sunk 'way deep in all the icky mess.... oh yuck!....BladeCollector wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:57 am I would say that definitely, the good outweighs the bad and my ill feelings havent subsided but maybe have lessened as I have had a couple of weeks to calm down and reflect.
I will say that the HBO documentary that aired the week after the finale REALLY put things in perspective for me. Meaning, as angry as I with D&D with certain storylines and how things panned out, see what the cast and crew went through to create this last season was unbelievable. Watching the casts' reactions during the first table read thru of some of the scenes. Clearly some of the cast did not read their script before the table readings, such as Kit Harrington finding out about Jon killing Dany AT THAT MOMENT, the life leaving his face, when he looked across the table at Emilia. Or when the producer was reading the description of Jorah fighting to the end for his queen, "taking more damage than Hodor holding the door" the looks on his face and Emilia's face got me all chocked up.
Oh and for anyone that cares, and didnt see... Arya apparently leapt off a pile of wight bodies... that musta been one helluva pile of dead wights.
Just binged all of the Witcher and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Really great acting and story and it has genuine funny moments especially with Jaskier. Can’t wait for season 2 but the wait will be more agonising now haha.Valkrist wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:06 am 100% will be checking out The Witcher.
Also waiting for His Dark Materials to finish before binging, and watching The Boys, The Mandalorian, and Jack Ryan.