When I have a while I could see if I can find it for you.
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Going off on a little tangent here....I like the LOTR (Ext. Ed.) DVDs because I like the way the cases look like books.XerachCruz wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:28 am I still keep them, they are one of my greatest treasures and I think that better editions have never been published than those (perhaps the edition of the shelf was better, but I don't have that one because in my country it was never published).
When I have a while I could see if I can find it for you.![]()
I have searched the image galleries of appendices 1, 3 and 5 and I have not found that image. Maybe it shows up during one of the videos out of all the extras for a bit, I don't know.Olorin wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:26 am I don't expect anyone to undertake a painstaking search, but if anybody just happens to want to look through the supplements, it's great.
Yes, for me they have the best presentation like a book in digipack. I think that the BD editions are not like that but normal plastic boxes with thick cardboard slipcover. I have the extended editions of the Hobbit on BD+3D and they come like this, plastic box and slipcover.Deimos wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:11 pmGoing off on a little tangent here....I like the LOTR (Ext. Ed.) DVDs because I like the way the cases look like books.XerachCruz wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:28 am I still keep them, they are one of my greatest treasures and I think that better editions have never been published than those (perhaps the edition of the shelf was better, but I don't have that one because in my country it was never published).
When I have a while I could see if I can find it for you.![]()
I don't know what kind of art is on the cases of the BDs, but I don't think they have the "book look" .
But I mainly keep them because I still don't care for the hi-res look of BDs where you can see every pore.
And sometimes the eyes look super bright, which I also find jarring if not a little creepy.
I still have a 40" Sony Bravia 720p flat screen (cue the Luddite chorus) and so I'm not fully getting the improved image.
Yet I can see the difference between a DVD and a BD. So, (channeling Bilbo): No, thank you! We don't want any BDs!
I loved the look of the DVD set, just like books and very classy. I kept it even though I bought the BluRays, though it's tucked away in a closet (my shelves and racks are already too full). The BluRay box looks very nice, at least the version I have:Deimos wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:11 pmGoing off on a little tangent here....I like the LOTR (Ext. Ed.) DVDs because I like the way the cases look like books.XerachCruz wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:28 am I still keep them, they are one of my greatest treasures and I think that better editions have never been published than those (perhaps the edition of the shelf was better, but I don't have that one because in my country it was never published).
When I have a while I could see if I can find it for you.![]()
I don't know what kind of art is on the cases of the BDs, but I don't think they have the "book look" .
But I mainly keep them because I still don't care for the hi-res look of BDs where you can see every pore.
And sometimes the eyes look super bright, which I also find jarring if not a little creepy.
I still have a 40" Sony Bravia 720p flat screen (cue the Luddite chorus) and so I'm not fully getting the improved image.
Yet I can see the difference between a DVD and a BD. So, (channeling Bilbo): No, thank you! We don't want any BDs!
That all depends on who did the upgrade and what the source was. I have seen plenty of movies upgraded to 4k from a 2k master that do not look better than the previous Blu Ray release, even with HDR. In some cases, they look worse. Most of the studios, except Disney, are getting better at it though.XerachCruz wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:35 am HDR is the really worthwhile upgrade to UHD movies, not so much the uptick in resolution, which isn't as noticeable compared to a BD ...unless you have a gigantic TV.
Universal did a fantastic job with the 4K DI of Psycho. It blew me away when I watched it last month. I seriously doubt any original 35mm print looked that good. Universal has an excellent restoration team that has been doing some incredible releases lately.XerachCruz wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:35 am They are also doing incredible remasters of black and white movies to UHD, I already buy a couple. They make new scans and recover the original grain that had been digitally erased in old BD editions. These editions of classic UHD movies are finally made with movie purists in mind.
Here I put an example capture of Psycho... an image as if you saw it in the cinema the day of its premiere.![]()
i keep my DVD EE set on a shelf in my game room along with various other LOTR related items, the BDs are in the living room with the other BDs.Olorin wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:30 pm
I loved the look of the DVD set, just like books and very classy. I kept it even though I bought the BluRays, though it's tucked away in a closet (my shelves and racks are already too full). The BluRay box looks very nice, at least the version I have:
Yes, I have some movies in UHD that don't improve the BD, like the first ones in the Bourne saga that look the same or even worse. But they are a minority, almost all are of the first films shot in digital, when the cameras did not give more resolution and/or post-production was done in 2K. Those do not gain anything in resolution with the move to UHD. But the earlier movies shot on film or later shot with more modern digital cameras (4K or more), the gain is remarkable... the Hobbit movies in UHD have a quality amazing image, one of the best UHDs I've seen. They take advantage of the fact that they were shot in 5K, if I'm not mistaken.Nasnandos wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:08 am That all depends on who did the upgrade and what the source was. I have seen plenty of movies upgraded to 4k from a 2k master that do not look better than the previous Blu Ray release, even with HDR. In some cases, they look worse. Most of the studios, except Disney, are getting better at it though.
If with the Sony packs you refer to the Columbia Classics, they have already begun to publish individually the movies from the first pack, almost two years later but in the end they also come out separately.Nasnandos wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:08 am Sony, Universal, and Paramount have had some great 4k upgrades of older titles in the past few years. Sony is probably the best, but I wish they would stop doing those combo boxed sets and just release all their films individually. Warner Brothers was great, but quality has been slipping recently. Lionsgate's releases are just average. Disney is probably the worst at it.
I had my collection with almost all the movies on DVD too, I only had about a dozen BDs compared to 20 times more DVDs and I didn't plan to update my collection, until I changed the TV for an OLED because the one I had broke and I tried how the movies looked in UHD with HDR. ...and there was no going back.Deimos wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:50 am If I were to upgrade then yes, I would go for the UHD discs.
Also, I didn't know about the "super re-mastering" to UHD of the classics (B&W or color).
Thanks for letting me know about that.
BladeCollector wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:11 am i keep my DVD EE set on a shelf in my game room along with various other LOTR related items, the BDs are in the living room with the other BDs.
That set is just too pretty for me to hide![]()
Yes, it deserves to be exhibited, I have it together with the UHD in the level dedicated to the middle earth of my movie library.Valkrist wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:23 am I still have my DVDs as well, and BC said it... the set is just simply the best-looking one they've released in 20 years.
I have the BD set which I'll probably give to someone, and now that big 4K set with all six movies which had no features to speak of, but that I bought 100% for the 4K quality, and man, do they ever not disappoint.
That's the problem. Two years later, not all of them, and no official announcement that they will. Still no stand alone 4k release of Lawrence of Arabia. No guarantee the stuff in volume two will get individual releases either.XerachCruz wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:05 pm If with the Sony packs you refer to the Columbia Classics, they have already begun to publish individually the movies from the first pack, almost two years later but in the end they also come out separately.
Yes, they take too long to release them separately. I don't understand that strategy of selling them in packs, it will be that they make more money that way.Nasnandos wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:01 am That's the problem. Two years later, not all of them, and no official announcement that they will. Still no stand alone 4k release of Lawrence of Arabia. No guarantee the stuff in volume two will get individual releases either.
They have finally announced it for June 7 in USA. In my country they haven't announced it yet but I suppose that if they release it here, it will also come out this year for the 60th anniversary.Nasnandos wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:01 am That's the problem. Two years later, not all of them, and no official announcement that they will. Still no stand alone 4k release of Lawrence of Arabia. No guarantee the stuff in volume two will get individual releases either.
I have been told that the UHD remastered of Lawrence of Arabia is spectacular. I'm looking forward to buying it to see it.Deimos wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:27 pm ooooooo... Lawrence of Arabia.... I haven't watched that in years.
Quite willing at the moment to dig out the DVD version to watch.
Just an aside ( a hijack of a hijack)... That was, I think, Peter O'Toole's breakout role.
I saw the announcement. It about time!XerachCruz wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:11 am They have finally announced it for June 7 in USA. In my country they haven't announced it yet but I suppose that if they release it here, it will also come out this year for the 60th anniversary.
I was able to see this in true 70mm back in the 1980s, so I know how awesome the real film looks. The 4k Even the 2012 Blu Ray was spectacular. Even though it was downscaled to 2k, they started with an 8k scan of the original 70mm film. It's a night and day difference between films that were scanned at 2k or 4k and then mastered in 4k. They used that same 8k scan for this 4k master, so it should be the closest thing we have to an actual theater experience, but with better sound.XerachCruz wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:11 am I have been told that the UHD remastered of Lawrence of Arabia is spectacular. I'm looking forward to buying it to see it.![]()
(Aaand here we are again....my gosh time flies (tempus fugit)
Give it time..."Ashes to ashes, dust to dust."Olorin wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:25 pm Well mine hasn't actually disintegrated and actually the pages aren't even that yellow. I must have been thinking of a different book.
Good for them, but the sad irony is that I think that is exactly what JRR and Christopher never wanted and fought so hard to prevent.Levidas wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:21 pm Has anyone seen this? https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2022/1 ... ia-estate/
Looks like it's raining money on Tolkien Estate![]()
I’ve not looked at either pic that closely yet, nor found the one that’s the deluxe edition cover within the bounds of the book. I think, though, that it is Sam and Frodo in Ithilien. I’ll try to look at the Argonath picture later.Deimos wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:34 am I'll reply to the bookplate and St Louis specific stuff in a PM in a few days ....
So, for now... looking at the slipcase edition, what is the picture on the case, ummm...depicting?
IS it Sam and Frodo? If so, what is the scene from?... It does not look familiar to me at all.
Also, the Argonath pic....just curious...who do you think is in the boat? Has to be either Aragorn and Frodo or Legolas and Gimli .
I think it's Legolas and Gimli.
I kind of thought that was what the artist was aiming for, but if so, he shot incredibly wide of the mark.Olorin wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:12 pmI’ve not looked at either pic that closely yet, nor found the one that’s the deluxe edition cover within the bounds of the book. I think, though, that it is Sam and Frodo in Ithilien. I’ll try to look at the Argonath picture later.Deimos wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:34 am I'll reply to the bookplate and St Louis specific stuff in a PM in a few days ....
So, for now... looking at the slipcase edition, what is the picture on the case, ummm...depicting?
IS it Sam and Frodo? If so, what is the scene from?... It does not look familiar to me at all.
Also, the Argonath pic....just curious...who do you think is in the boat? Has to be either Aragorn and Frodo or Legolas and Gimli .
I think it's Legolas and Gimli.
The boat does indeed have two people, which must be Legolas and Gimli. The other picture is called First Sight of Ithilen. I assume the craggy mountains are the Ephel Duath. I don’t see any trees on them. The Atlas of Middle earth describes Ithilien as having many streams. Some of these would undoubtedly rise on the outer slopes of the Ephel Duath, or at least on their foothills. The main thing that struck me about the image was how rugged the land was, but that’s probably just a reaction to my having lived in relatively flat areas my whole life.Deimos wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:26 pmI kind of thought that was what the artist was aiming for, but if so, he shot incredibly wide of the mark.Olorin wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:12 pmI’ve not looked at either pic that closely yet, nor found the one that’s the deluxe edition cover within the bounds of the book. I think, though, that it is Sam and Frodo in Ithilien. I’ll try to look at the Argonath picture later.Deimos wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:34 am I'll reply to the bookplate and St Louis specific stuff in a PM in a few days ....
So, for now... looking at the slipcase edition, what is the picture on the case, ummm...depicting?
IS it Sam and Frodo? If so, what is the scene from?... It does not look familiar to me at all.
Also, the Argonath pic....just curious...who do you think is in the boat? Has to be either Aragorn and Frodo or Legolas and Gimli .
I think it's Legolas and Gimli.
There are no craggy mountains in Ithilian west of the Southward Road (that more or less parallels the Ephel Duath) and the Ephel Duath itself has no forested heights and certainly no waterfalls.
You have to wonder if some (a lot really) "LOTR artists" even read the books.
Oh, I just thought about it...the boat has to be the one with Legolas and Gimli.
I forgot that Sam was with Aragorn and Frodo, that is, only one boat had two people in it.
And the person in front doesn't look very big, either... Gimli in front (who didn't care for boats any more than Sam did) and Legalas behind.
OK...no forested heightsOlorin wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:41 amThe boat does indeed have two people, which must be Legolas and Gimli. The other picture is called First Sight of Ithilen. I assume the craggy mountains are the Ephel Duath. I don’t see any trees on them. The Atlas of Middle earth describes Ithilien as having many streams. Some of these would undoubtedly rise on the outer slopes of the Ephel Duath, or at least on their foothills. The main thing that struck me about the image was how rugged the land was, but that’s probably just a reaction to my having lived in relatively flat areas my whole life.Deimos wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:26 pmI kind of thought that was what the artist was aiming for, but if so, he shot incredibly wide of the mark.Olorin wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:12 pm
I’ve not looked at either pic that closely yet, nor found the one that’s the deluxe edition cover within the bounds of the book. I think, though, that it is Sam and Frodo in Ithilien. I’ll try to look at the Argonath picture later.
There are no craggy mountains in Ithilian west of the Southward Road (that more or less parallels the Ephel Duath) and the Ephel Duath itself has no forested heights and certainly no waterfalls.
You have to wonder if some (a lot really) "LOTR artists" even read the books.
Oh, I just thought about it...the boat has to be the one with Legolas and Gimli.
I forgot that Sam was with Aragorn and Frodo, that is, only one boat had two people in it.
And the person in front doesn't look very big, either... Gimli in front (who didn't care for boats any more than Sam did) and Legalas behind.
Can you describe what scene (or scenes ) that was?Olorin wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:49 pm Remember how PJ depicted it? Absolutely vertical. I thought the Nasmith painting was a tad more realistic .
Apologies for the edit.. Fairview Heights isn't terribly far from where I live and I have cousins who grew up in Fairview.Olorin wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:02 am Casting myself sharply back along the corridors of memory, I would say that I most likely bought mine at either Waldenbooks or B. Dalton in St. Clair Square in Fairview Heights, the big mall they built in the early 70s.
Yes, someone else's... just not Tolkien's.